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Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3475: January 26, 2013, 05:51:49 PM »
Did you play baseball at the time?

Is this the injury that ends pitchers' careers?
Good thing he's not a pitcher, then. 

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« Reply #3476: January 26, 2013, 05:52:43 PM »
Good thing he's not a pitcher, then.

It's also his non-throwing shoulder, so the cannon should still be there.

But how will this affect his hitting? :panic:

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3477: January 26, 2013, 05:59:59 PM »
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But how will this affect his hitting? 

I think we can safely say that it can't possibly result in any more strikeouts...

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3478: January 26, 2013, 06:11:50 PM »
I think we can safely say that it can't possibly result in any more strikeouts...
He must have struck out 50 times during the last six weeks. Seemed that way.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3479: January 26, 2013, 06:14:55 PM »
It's also his non-throwing shoulder, so the cannon should still be there.

But how will this affect his hitting? :panic:
Isn't this what LaRoche had?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3480: January 26, 2013, 06:18:51 PM »
I found the article from Zuckerman on LaRoche - http://www.natsinsider.com/2011/06/laroche-has-surgery-to-repair-large.html

He had a tear in his labrum.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3481: January 26, 2013, 07:12:14 PM »
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« Reply #3482: January 26, 2013, 07:41:08 PM »
Espinosa was precisely the one I was thinking about when I questioned why were heard so little out surgery/procedures after the season ended.  Now he reveals this.   >:(

For a team trying to win a World Series, this is SO unacceptable.   

Who wants to bet he'll have surgery sometime during spring training?  >:(

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3483: January 26, 2013, 07:43:44 PM »
I found the article from Zuckerman on LaRoche - http://www.natsinsider.com/2011/06/laroche-has-surgery-to-repair-large.html

He had a tear in his labrum.
Ah, that's right.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3484: January 26, 2013, 08:12:51 PM »
Espinosa was precisely the one I was thinking about when I questioned why were heard so little out surgery/procedures after the season ended.  Now he reveals this.   >:(

For a team trying to win a World Series, this is SO unacceptable.   

Who wants to bet he'll have surgery sometime during spring training?  >:(

Well the medical staff cleared this. I'm having trouble finding info on similar cases to see if it makes sense, though.

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« Reply #3485: January 26, 2013, 08:16:56 PM »
Well the medical staff cleared this. I'm having trouble finding info on similar cases to see if it makes sense, though.

Well, get ready for the "This Medical Staff Stinks (2013)" thread to get started. I've also been looking for examples where this ends well and haven't found any yet.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3486: January 26, 2013, 08:18:33 PM »
Get right on that ...

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3487: January 26, 2013, 08:19:32 PM »
All hail Lombo.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3488: January 26, 2013, 09:38:49 PM »
Toronto Star:

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Best off-seasons

Washington Nationals

In: Rafael Soriano, Dan Haren, Denard Span

Out: Michael Morse

Washington was already among baseball’s heavyweight contenders before they beefed up their bullpen with Soriano, added depth to their rotation in Haren and picked up Span, an underrated centerfielder who will allow Bryce Harper to move to a corner outfield position. The Nats added strength to strength this off-season and — with an unshackled Stephen Strasburg — should be one of the NL’s best teams.

Atlanta Braves

In: Justin Upton, B.J. Upton, Chris Johnson

Out: Martin Prado, Michael Bourn, Chipper Jones

Jones, Prado and Bourn were together more valuable than the Uptons in 2012, a down year for both Justin and B.J. But if the reunited siblings — who are just entering the primes of their respective careers — can tap into their full potential, they could both be MVP candidates in Atlanta for the next five years. And aside from a year of Prado (who becomes a free agent in 2014), the Braves gave up almost nothing to get Justin.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3489: January 26, 2013, 09:41:17 PM »
Did you play baseball at the time?

Is this the injury that ends pitchers' careers?

No, I did play softball though.  Honestly, the only time it bothered me was when i had to push something with my right arm.  Push-ups were absolutely excruciating.  I also couldn't fully extend my arm over my head.  I don't know how the injury would impact Espinosa's hitting, but it shouldn't hurt him in the field.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3490: January 27, 2013, 07:55:57 AM »
Chicks dig the long ball

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3491: January 27, 2013, 09:10:05 AM »
It's also his non-throwing shoulder, so the cannon should still be there.

But how will this affect his hitting? :panic:

I thought about that: left shoulder, though. Hitting might be the trouble...especially hitting left handed. He would use his left shoulder as his drive shoulder, just like LaRoche. He ought to be OK hitting right-handed.

I hit lefty and throw right-handed...having watched Mickey Vernon on TV. Killed my right shoulder throwing fly balls to my Little League team...many years earlier, I'd pulled a tendon loose inside my right arm...showing off, no kidding, in The President's Physical Fitness Test in the "softball throw for distance". Something started by President Kennedy. A cold February day, and I didn't bother to loosen up...was in a mixed grade gym class, a skinny 10th grader in gym with seniors, who included a bunch of guys from the -- Northwestern -- football team. I knew how to throw, and they knew how to trample 10 graders, so I was determined to out-throw them. By the five or sixth throw, I could barely lift my arm. Dope. After that, I threw only with wrist and fingers -- "short arming" the ball. At least it convinced me that studying would be more important than playing serious baseball.

Maybe Espi should stop hitting LH, work on his eye-baseball-hitting coordination as a RH hitter?


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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3492: January 27, 2013, 10:13:54 AM »
Toronto Star:


they gave up 5 or 6 years of randal delgado - thats not nothing

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3493: January 27, 2013, 11:52:23 AM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/01/26/danny-espinosa-says-he-played-with-torn-rotator-cuff/

This sounds bad.  Maybe he's worried about shutting it down and then Lombo or Rendon showing a little too well and then losing his job?  One or two hard falls or hard slides and then he may have it hurt enough to have to shut it down anyway.  And playing middle infield, he's probably going to have some hard falls.
I know of a Montgomery county MD doctor who does this arthroscopic rotator cuff surgery with great results.  They attach a tendon to the bone.  Espinosa would be completely healed by now.  Instead, he did what a player might do during a season, when he had the entire off season to repair this surgically. 
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110219165221.htm



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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3494: January 27, 2013, 12:03:16 PM »
I hereby dub Espinosa "Dumbazz Danny."

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3495: January 27, 2013, 12:11:23 PM »
He's playing in the WBC, I think, so we should see if he can hit with the injury.  We won't see, though, the effects of wear and tear of a long season.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3496: January 27, 2013, 12:16:34 PM »
So that means he has had the surgery and gone through rehab, right?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3497: January 27, 2013, 12:35:49 PM »
So that means he has had the surgery and gone through rehab, right?
Nope.  I'm betting that after he starts playing, he'll get inflammation, be unable to lift his arm over his head (a skill needed for fielding), and he'll have to stop for surgery, (as did LaRoche in 2011):

"Espinosa opted against surgery on his shoulder and instead focused on strengthening the muscles around the torn rotator cuff. Since it is already torn, Espinosa said he can’t do further damage to the shoulder by playing this season. He was cleared to begin swinging a bat at the beginning of the month and resumed full batting practice in the past week. He does not expect to be limited in spring training. “My swing feels really good – better than it did last year,” Espinosa said. “I’m really confident in my swing right now. Maybe it’s because I have the confidence knowing my shoulder’s all right, but I do feel really good.”"


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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3498: January 27, 2013, 12:43:22 PM »
Nope.  I'm betting that after he starts playing, he'll get inflammation, be unable to lift his arm over his head (a skill needed for fielding), and he'll have to stop for surgery, (as did LaRoche in 2011):

"Espinosa opted against surgery on his shoulder and instead focused on strengthening the muscles around the torn rotator cuff. Since it is already torn, Espinosa said he can’t do further damage to the shoulder by playing this season. He was cleared to begin swinging a bat at the beginning of the month and resumed full batting practice in the past week. He does not expect to be limited in spring training. “My swing feels really good – better than it did last year,” Espinosa said. “I’m really confident in my swing right now. Maybe it’s because I have the confidence knowing my shoulder’s all right, but I do feel really good.”"

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i do wonder if it would affect his ability to jump for a ball over his head where he needs to fully extend his arm.   Like I said earlier though, it's possible to rehab without surgery.  My arm, with just regular workouts, was back to normal in a year and i'm not a professional athlete with a training staff. :)

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #3499: January 27, 2013, 12:44:20 PM »
Espy better have an espy worthy year.