2009/2010 Hot Stove Thread

[houston-nat]

Give him 3 years - $25 Million

Give him 2 years - $10 million

[sportsfan882]

Give him 2 years - $10 million

he won't sign here for that. maybe 2 years - $20 million.

we have to be willing to pay more because we are the lowly nats.

[Lintyfresh85]

Nothing over 7.5

[DPMOmaha]

We're talking Vazquez here, right?  He was fantastic last year but that was really the first year he realized his potential.  Is he just hitting his stride or was it an outlier?  I'd have a hard time offering him 10 mil if  he reverts back.  If last year turns out to be the norm, than I would do it.  But that's difficult to judge from here.

[sportsfan882]

Vazquez put up some good years with Montreal. He is an innings eater and has always been about an average pitcher. This past year he was outstanding.

[houston-nat]

We're talking Vazquez here, right?  He was fantastic last year but that was really the first year he realized his potential.  Is he just hitting his stride or was it an outlier?  I'd have a hard time offering him 10 mil if  he reverts back.  If last year turns out to be the norm, than I would do it.  But that's difficult to judge from here.

We're talking Garland. Vazquez has one year on his deal at $11.5m

[DPMOmaha]

Oh, ok, yeah, I don't think Garland's a 10 mil guy yet.

[sportsfan882]

Despite listening to offers for Matt Lindstrom and Renyel Pinto, the Marlins are telling teams that starter Ricky Nolasco is not available, reports Juan C. Rodriguez of The Sun Sentinel.

Nolasco, who earned $2.4MM this year, is arbitration eligible for the second time after an odd 2009 season. His periperhal stats were outstanding (9.49 K/9, 2.14 BB/9, 3.35 FIP), yet he still finished with a 5.06 ERA. Considering his cost and relative production, you'd have to think the Fish could get a pretty nice return if they made him available in a trade.

Rodriguez adds that the team is in the "early stages" of trade discussions involving Dan Uggla.

damn about Nolasco.

Why the f do the Marlins think they can get anything for Lindstrom? He's a total bum.

[Lintyfresh85]

They'll get more for him than anything the Nats could get for any of their current relievers.

[sportsfan882]

Oh, ok, yeah, I don't think Garland's a 10 mil guy yet.

He made $12 Million in '08 and $10 Million in '07.

[sportsfan882]

They'll get more for him than anything the Nats could get for any of their current relievers.

I'd rather have MacDougal.

[cmdterps44]

Sucks about Nolasco not being on the block.

[DPMOmaha]

He made $12 Million in '08 and $10 Million in '07.

Interesting...I think those deals, at least the 07 one was in a different economic climate.  I don't think he'll get that now.  Though he did pitch pretty well when he was with the dodgers.

[Lintyfresh85]

I'd rather have MacDougal.

But baseball people wouldn't.

MacDougal hadn't done anything in years... and even though he closed out games for the Nats... he had nearly identical strikeout to walks. That's just asking to be destroyed.

[DPMOmaha]

Again, he hasn't had back-to-back good seasons.  Hope to heck he bucks the trend, but I wouldn't go into the season banking on it.  Another reason I would have liked to have gone after Wagner.

[Minty Fresh]

Oh crap. Vazquez would be awesome to get. His stats were sick last year. Lets add him to our rotation

Vazquez is much more hot and cold than Lowe.  We used to have Vazquez (when we were Montreal).  I'd rather have Lowe.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Interesting...I think those deals, at least the 07 one was in a different economic climate.  I don't think he'll get that now.  Though he did pitch pretty well when he was with the dodgers.

Garland far outperformed his peripherals in 2005 and beat his career ERA by about a run.  Kenny Williams gave him a big contract, then he reverted.  After the 2007 season, the White Sox paid $1.5m for the Angels to take him off their hands.

[edit - what you pay for with Garland is a guy who gives you perhaps slightly above average pitching and a lot of innings. He will give you $8 - $10m of value.  Whether you pay that much for it is another question.  2 years, $16m, with an option for a 3d year at $10m gets it done]

[ronnynat]

Vazquez is much more hot and cold than Lowe.  We used to have Vazquez (when we were Montreal).  I'd rather have Lowe.

They'd probably trade us Lowe for Willingham straight up. That contract is ridiculous.

[Minty Fresh]

They'd probably trade us Lowe for Willingham straight up. That contract is ridiculous.

We can afford it.  If we land Lowe and perhaps make a push for Lackey, that would be a HUGE improvement.  I think the Nats could seriously push for Lackey if they proved that they are willing to spend to win and picking up Lowe would be a great start.

[ronnynat]

We can afford it.  If we land Lowe and perhaps make a push for Lackey, that would be a HUGE improvement.  I think the Nats could seriously push for Lackey if they proved that they are willing to spend to win and picking up Lowe would be a great start.

I wouldn't mind getting him, but he'd have to do better than he did last season to make it worth it, IMO. $15 mil is a lot for a guy w/ a 4.67 ERA and 1.51 WHIP.

[Minty Fresh]

I wouldn't mind getting him, but he'd have to do better than he did last season to make it worth it, IMO. $15 mil is a lot for a guy w/ a 4.67 ERA and 1.51 WHIP.

Just look at Vazquez's career and you'll see great years and crap years.  Lowe's more consistent and I'd be more inclined to believe last year was a hiccup.

[tomterp]

If the Cards wiff on Holliday, they are said to have interest in Dunn.

From St. Louis News-Dispatch, via MLBtraderumors.com

[houston-nat]

Just look at Vazquez's career and you'll see great years and crap years.  Lowe's more consistent and I'd be more inclined to believe last year was a hiccup.

Derek Lowe will also turn 37 next year.

[HalfSmokes]

What were Braves thinking with Lowe- its not like he is in the tail end of a contract and starting to show his age- they signed him last year and now they have to trade him?

[Potomac Cannons]

Vazquez is much more hot and cold than Lowe.  We used to have Vazquez (when we were Montreal).  I'd rather have Lowe.

Really?  Vazquez has put up 198 IP or more every season since 2000.  He's had a K/9 over 7 all except for two of those years with most being over 8.  His BB/9 has not been over 3 the entire time.  2000 and 2008 were the only times he's had a WHIP over 1.3.  His FIP was over 4 in 2004 and 2005, every other year from 2000 on was in the mid 3's or lower.  He's the model of consistency.  The only stats that have varied greatly are things like ERA and W/L which are fairly useless when much better peripheral numbers are available.

The hot and cold is between good and very good every single year for a decade with no sign of slowing down at all.