Author Topic: Most Valuable Nat (Read 2615 times)

varoadking · « **Reply #25:** June 23, 2014, 01:40:00 PM »

Quote from: sph274 on June 23, 2014, 01:38:45 PM

Trading Gio makes no sense, why do I keep reading it on this board?

Because he has underperformed since October, 2012?

sph274 · « **Reply #26:** June 23, 2014, 01:46:07 PM »

Quote from: varoadking on June 23, 2014, 01:40:00 PM

Because he has underperformed since October, 2012?

His FIP this year is 3.48. He has been a bit unlucky this year. And he is only making 8.5 mil this year, like 12 mil through 2018. But freak him, lets trade him for nothing and sign a 32 year old and a 31 year old to long term 20 mil 6 year deals

houston-nat · « **Reply #27:** June 23, 2014, 01:46:21 PM »

Quote from: varoadking on June 23, 2014, 01:40:00 PM

Because he has underperformed since October, 2012?

(not counting his very good year in 2013)

varoadking · « **Reply #28:** June 23, 2014, 01:49:15 PM »

Quote from: houston-nat on June 23, 2014, 01:46:21 PM

(not counting his very good year in 2013)

Coming off a Cy Young nomination?

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #29:** June 23, 2014, 01:52:02 PM »

he had a 3.36 era over 195 innings, if that's underperformance, I'd like to have a whole staff of under performers

Slateman · « **Reply #30:** June 23, 2014, 01:54:23 PM »

Quote from: sph274 on June 23, 2014, 01:38:45 PM

Trading Gio makes no sense, why do I keep reading it on this board?

Would you rather have JZ or Gio?

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #31:** June 23, 2014, 01:55:42 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on June 23, 2014, 01:54:23 PM

Would you rather have JZ or Gio?

gio under his current contract vs. a JZ extension? I'm a JZ fan, but I'd rather Gio in that situation

Optics · « **Reply #32:** June 23, 2014, 07:28:39 PM »

Easily Rendon.

It's hard to put a P as the most valuable as good as some of ours have been because they only pitch one out of every five days. A position player plays everyday and Rendon has been really consistent this year.

tomterp · « **Reply #33:** June 23, 2014, 08:21:22 PM »

Quote from: varoadking on June 23, 2014, 01:40:00 PM

Because he has underperformed since October, 2012?

You must have snoozed through his terrific 2013.

More of #34 · « **Reply #34:** June 23, 2014, 11:41:25 PM »

Rendon.

mmzznnxx · « **Reply #35:** June 23, 2014, 11:52:48 PM »

It's probably Rendon because finding a 2B/3B who can field well and has been more consistent than anyone else has at the plate is tougher than the same at 1B, but just for the sake of being contrary, I want to say LaRoche.

He was hugely instrumental in 2012, and he's been consistent this year when healthy. Especially with the way the rest of our infield can botch close throws at time. He gets on base, he's hitting, and he's hitting against lefties and against the shift. He's making it nigh impossible to give him a day off regardless of opposing SP unless he's incredibly tired.

More of #34 · « **Reply #36:** June 24, 2014, 09:57:14 AM »

You're absolutely right - I don't think we'd be where we are without LaRoche. Rendon and Rochey - both are MVP's.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #37:** June 24, 2014, 10:17:28 AM »

Quote from: Slateman on June 23, 2014, 01:54:23 PM

Would you rather have JZ or Gio?

Gio. He's a high quality lefty.

vernon337 · « **Reply #38:** June 24, 2014, 11:57:24 AM »

Gio's sin was to have his career year his first year here. Every season after that is one in which he will underperform.

For that matter, Strasburg's sin was to have all those people hype him as the greatest pitching prospect of his generation. Based on that, he has underperformed.

I'll take both of them over John Lannan, who was a classic overperformer.

TigerFan · « **Reply #39:** June 24, 2014, 03:41:28 PM »

Shouldn't his catchphrase be: Roark: I'm not Dan Haren?

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #40:** June 24, 2014, 04:18:55 PM »

Quote from: rileyn on June 23, 2014, 06:41:50 AM

Serious consideration has to be given to Tanner Roark being the most valuable National in the entire organization right now. When you take into account his production, not potential, but his actual production and combine that with the fact that he makes $500k/year and is under control until 2019, that is huge. You can argue all you want about some others and their potential superstar status, but that is still unrealized at this point, AND they are making much more money and will demand more in a few short years. You can also call him a 5th starter and yada yada, but take that label off him. Even if he fails to improve or drops off, he is so cheap that it is no big deal financially to the team.

On the other hand, I fear that "least" valuable National right now might by Ryan Zimmerman. Long term contract with no position. The nightmare scenario is if he doesn't hit. Think about how awkward that will be for the next 5 years. For the team to be successful in the long term he absolutely must hit and play well.

Is your concept of value here trade value? Roark has a number of cheap years left, while every other regular I think is either on an initial contract with a signing bonus, a long term contract, or is near the end of arbitration. Still, Rendon blows his value away. So is it cost v. contribution to this year's success?

rileyn · « **Reply #41:** June 24, 2014, 04:35:19 PM »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on June 24, 2014, 04:18:55 PM

Is your concept of value here trade value? Roark has a number of cheap years left, while every other regular I think is either on an initial contract with a signing bonus, a long term contract, or is near the end of arbitration. Still, Rendon blows his value away. So is it cost v. contribution to this year's success?

Correct, my point was not necessarily that he is the best player on the team (although an argument could be made) but that he has such a favorable contract for the team combined with his productivity. Rendon is another obvious choice although he will cash in much sooner than Roark. I don't see us ever having to break the bank for Roark.

blue911 · « **Reply #42:** June 24, 2014, 05:01:29 PM »

Rendon makes 3x Roark

TigerFan · « **Reply #43:** June 24, 2014, 05:10:07 PM »

Natalie Portman?

GburgNatsFan · « **Reply #44:** June 24, 2014, 06:56:15 PM »

Quote from: TigerFan on June 24, 2014, 03:41:28 PM

Shouldn't his catchphrase be: Roark: I'm not Dan Haren?

And underneath it could say "And I'm not Stephen Strasburg, either."

And both things would be okay.

mimontero88 · « **Reply #45:** June 25, 2014, 01:58:13 PM »

Thus far, ALR is my team MVP. His OBP is sky high and he has come up big in a lot of situations for the Nats. Rendon is a great candidate as well but I feel like ALR has saved a lot of errors on defense and has been the most consistent bat in our lineup the entire season.

houston-nat · « **Reply #46:** June 25, 2014, 05:01:26 PM »

By the way, as of this morning, according to FanGraphs, Anthony Rendon is worth 2.8 WAR, double the value of the second-place Nats hitter, LaRoche at 1.4. LaRoche is overall a better hitter, so Rendon gets the edge because he has a tougher job on defense.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #47:** June 25, 2014, 05:30:14 PM »

Quote from: houston-nat on June 25, 2014, 05:01:26 PM

By the way, as of this morning, according to FanGraphs, Anthony Rendon is worth 2.8 WAR, double the value of the second-place Nats hitter, LaRoche at 1.4. LaRoche is overall a better hitter, so Rendon gets the edge because he has a tougher job on defense.

doesn't Rendon get a bump from positional adjustment and games played? Sort of the Chauncey Gardiner "Being There" bump.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #48:** June 25, 2014, 08:19:53 PM »

That and fan graphs thinks laroche is a negative in defense this year

wpa2629 · « **Reply #49:** June 25, 2014, 08:21:32 PM »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on June 25, 2014, 08:19:53 PM

That and fan graphs thinks laroche is a negative in defense this year

LOL are you serious? I think he's looked as good at first this year as he's ever had since he's been a Nat