Maybe Pedro too. As i said before though, a rotation of Livan, Patterson, Ortiz, Hill, Bergmann would be head over heels better than the one we have now. It's amazing how feasible it was to keep Livan and Ortiz too. We need some veteran experience to mix with the young guns. Instead of Livan we got Chico, and you can't honestly say with a straight face that Chico is better than Livan.