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The Clubhouse / Re: Fire Dave Martinez - Non Player Character
« Last post by PowerBoater69 on Today at 11:45:24 AM »
I don't care to listen to press interviews because they're useless, luckily I know what he said is exactly the same context you've described here because you definitely have no agenda!

How much context is needed when the guy in charge is dumb enough to admit that his guys run the other way when they see him coming?
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The Clubhouse / Re: Chelsea Janes Leaving Nationals Beat
« Last post by Slateman on Today at 11:29:56 AM »
He naged about the bullpen move in 2015 and showed up to camp overweight this year and then had a couple unplayable months. Not surprised if Rizzo just said freak it, I'm moving on.

I put this in the same category as Harper showing up and trying to hit 60 homers. They prepared in the offseason in a manner detrimental to the good of the ball club. In Harper's case, he refused to change anything until after the Home Run Derby.

Roark just didn't want put in the work in the offseason. Change in the clubhouse is needed. Harper and Roark were the last holdouts.
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The Clubhouse / Re: Chelsea Janes Leaving Nationals Beat
« Last post by UMDNats on Today at 11:25:11 AM »
The new Post beat writer describes himself as "new to baseball".


There is a lot to learn about clubhouse and player etiquette in baseball. Literally any new beat writer, let alone a younger one, has to learn the ropes on what to do and not do. I know you're nagging about the Post putting younger people on the Nats beat, but it is what it is. The days of a young guy or girl taking the job and holding it for 30 years are gone. A baseball beat sucks ass and is only tolerable for younger writers or people who are really, really into baseball.

Also, I've seen plenty of veteran writers piss off an entire clubhouse, which is always hilarious. No one needs to be knocked down a peg more than veteran baseball writers.
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The Clubhouse / Re: Chelsea Janes Leaving Nationals Beat
« Last post by UMDNats on Today at 11:23:20 AM »
He naged about the bullpen move in 2015 and showed up to camp overweight this year and then had a couple unplayable months. Not surprised if Rizzo just said freak it, I'm moving on.
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The Clubhouse / Re: Chelsea Janes Leaving Nationals Beat
« Last post by varoadking on Today at 11:18:50 AM »
Janes says that the Roark trade could have been part of the "cleansing" of the clubhouse that got Kinzler and Kelley shipped out. She also said that Boras contradicted what they are hearing from the teams about the market for Harper, and that she is leaning towards believing the teams, that Harper may not end up with the contract he had been led to expect.

Janes from the podcast:

"I think there's been tension between Tanner and Nats for a long time and I just don't think that is something that Rizzo is tolerating anymore."

Dybas added, "you're either with us or against us".

Janes continued, "that's what I heard...there's sort of a cleanse happening...jettisoned Kinzler, Kelley, Roark...not that Tanner was a problem...Rizzo's given Davey more of what he is looking for personality wise...it's a cleanse and people will be uncomfortable but what they had didn't work anyway."

On the NBCS Washington podcast Dybas and Collier are fine but she is clearly a step above them with her analysis, it's a shame I'll have to mute her on Twitter tomorrow.


https://art19.com/shows/racing-presidents/episodes/5fe2adfb-a31d-43d7-8d4d-ddd2de5d59a2

He may have been chafed that he agreed to take $4MM for the 2017 season as opposed to the $6MM he was thought to get in arbitration (I think I got that year right).  Or he could still be upset about being moved to the bullpen in 2015.

Either way...good riddance...he has been on a downward trajectory and it was painful to watch him lumber around the mound...
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The Clubhouse / Re: So long, Tanner & Welcome, Tanner
« Last post by Slateman on Today at 11:16:33 AM »
Miley was lights out last season when he came back. Rode him to a fantasy baseball title in a 30-team league where he surprised everyone with consistently excellent game day starts. He started 16 times and had 6 quality starts, never giving up more than three earned runs in any of his starts last season. It could be an outlier season for him... or it could be the point where he's turning the corner.
I think it's really telling that the Chacin, Gio, and Miley all came in and had success after performing poorly prior with another team.

Maybe Miley was taught something that could translate elsewhere, but I have to wonder if he perform similarly or even with a sub 4 ERA.
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The Out of Town Scoreboard / Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Last post by Natsinpwc on Today at 11:15:21 AM »
My comment about this being a better contract than the Lynn contract had nothing to do with "which would have been better for the Nats had they been involved?"  It had more to do with my low regard for Lance Lynn and respect for Charlie Morton, and was not Nats specific.  Also, given the budgets and competitive position, it's interesting that a team with a very low budget went for Morton at the higher AAV than Lynn. 

Since you put it in Nats context, I would have wanted them to be in on Morton on this kind of contract regardless of the Roark deal.  More or less, after Corbin, Keuchel, and Happ, Morton may have been the best FA pitcher for the short term, and he's not making anywhere near as much.  Lynn and Miley are a completely different class and should be paid less.
Yea. Sorry. I thought that this was the Nats discussion. Please don’t ban me.
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The Out of Town Scoreboard / Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Last post by JCA-CrystalCity on Today at 11:11:07 AM »
Nats went after Lynn at $10 million per year rather than Morton at $15 million per year.  The Lynn signing would have been a net break even with Roark leaving. Signing Morton would have been a 5 million net salary increase. Or in other words after signing Corbin the Nats are not going all in but rather trying to find some bargains. I think this generally fits the pattern that they will pay their top guys but want discounts on the rest of the roster. Roark would have been a dependable number four or five. But losing the salary was obviously the priority.
My comment about this being a better contract than the Lynn contract had nothing to do with "which would have been better for the Nats had they been involved?"  It had more to do with my low regard for Lance Lynn and respect for Charlie Morton, and was not Nats specific.  Also, given the budgets and competitive position, it's interesting that a team with a very low budget went for Morton at the higher AAV than Lynn. 

Since you put it in Nats context, I would have wanted them to be in on Morton on this kind of contract regardless of the Roark deal.  More or less, after Corbin, Keuchel, and Happ, Morton may have been the best FA pitcher for the short term, and he's not making anywhere near as much.  Lynn and Miley are a completely different class and should be paid less.
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The Out of Town Scoreboard / Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Last post by DPMOmaha on Today at 11:10:05 AM »
I wonder if this is the last move after all the "You're either with us or you're against us" stuff from last year. I wonder if there was still some hard feelings after the 2017 playoffs fiasco.
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Don't know if this has been mentioned yet but Tony Renda made a single appearance for the Red Sox this year and received a WS ring for it.

Renda was the second-round pick in 2012, behind Lucas Giolito.
and played infield at Rice with Rendon and Brock Holt.
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