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Offline welch

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Hopefully Selig likes Lerner better than Angelos.

Lerner has money, and did not get it by allowing his companies to be cheated. Money hires lots of lawyers. Washington is a gold-mine. Baltimore once had more rich people than Washington -- back when industry was important and Washington just had government workers. No more. MLB should not want to splat on the new ownwers in one of their wealthiest markets, especially not when the Nats have become one of the most interesting stories in baseball.

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maybe winning won't trickle down (though I doubt that), but loosing may tighten the purse strings

what would it take to losen the purse strings?



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@EricFisherSBJ: In SBD Closing Bell, sources: tv formula favored by #O's in MASN dispute would give #Nats $42M/yr, up to $58M by '16, $2.2B over 20 yrs

Offline HalfSmokes

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If that happens, Rizzo better be a magician if he wants to continue acquiring talent

Offline MarquisDeSade

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If that happens, Rizzo better be a magician if he wants to continue acquiring talent

Why.  We've already got two $100m talents on the team...

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If that happens, Rizzo better be a magician if he wants to continue acquiring talent

That's the new minimum, the Os base offer, obviously the Nats haven't accepted so we're expecting to do better, but regardless we won't do any worse.

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2.2b over 20 years is 110 Million average. I'm guessing that TV deal is expecting massive inflation if they are starting at 42 Million.

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There is a reset every 5 years, right?  So why would the Nats agree to a backloaded 20 year deal?

Offline Lintyfresh85

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There is a reset every 5 years, right?  So why would the Nats agree to a backloaded 20 year deal?

These are not the droids you are looking for.

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2.2b over 20 years is 110 Million average. I'm guessing that TV deal is expecting massive inflation if they are starting at 42 Million.

Factor in the the inflation rate and then see how it looks.

Offline NatsDad14

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Factor in the the inflation rate and then see how it looks.

Maybe MASN knows about Obama's scheme to destroy our economy from money printing.

Offline HalfSmokes

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Pretty good if cable ever goes a la carte

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Pretty good if cable ever goes a la carte

If that ever happens all of these RSNs are going broke and the charade is over with.

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Factor in the the inflation rate and then see how it looks.

Inflation rate is low, and not likely to increase. The US remains the safest investment in the world. Fed rate is nearly zero.

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From the Baltimore Sun, the Os have broken the silence and are speaking with the press, they're claiming that there was a formula defined in the contract and that they are sticking to it.  If old man Lerner ends up losing out he can only blame himself for the crappy teams he fielded which resulted in bottom of the league ratings.

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By Jeff Barker, The Baltimore Sun
6:22 p.m. EDT, July 13, 2012

The gulf could hardly be wider in this months-long dispute between the Orioles and Washington Nationals over media rights fees — and the teams can't agree on a formula for resolving their disagreements.

The issue of how much more money the first-place Nationals deserve in annual rights fees from the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network (MASN) — which televises both teams' games — has been unsettled since winter and remains before a committee of three Major League Baseball owners.

The matter of how MASN divides up its money is critically important to both teams.

The Orioles' majority stake in MASN — the team currently holds 87 percent — was designed to ensure the club's long-term viability after the Nationals arrived in 2005 into what was once exclusively Orioles' territory. The Orioles say MASN profits and fees enable the club to recoup money lost because of the presence of a second team in the Baltimore-Washington region.

For the Nationals, MASN fees and profits are integral to the franchise's continued growth. The franchise — which lost more than 100 games as recently as 2009 — is enjoying its best season since arriving in the nation's capital and wants a television deal on par with the lucrative, long-term deals that other clubs have recently signed.

The Nationals received $29 million in rights fees in 2011, plus more than $6 million for their equity stake in MASN. Washington holds 13 percent of MASN, and its share will climb by one percent a year up to 33 percent.

The Nationals are seeking a rights fees increase up to a reported $120 million annually.

MASN says Washington's amount should increase by far less — to more than $34 million in the first year.

MASN points to language in the 2005 agreement under which the former Montreal Expos relocated to Washington. The agreement says the rights fees — which are to be equal for both clubs — should be reset every five years using a formula developed by Bortz Media & Sports Group, a Colorado consulting firm. The formula takes into account network revenues, expenses, ratings and other considerations.

Even though the Nationals arrived in 2005, it was not until 2007 that MASN had rights for all Nationals and Orioles games except for those televised nationally. That's why 2012 — five years later — became the first year to "reset" the rights fees.

Using Bortz's formula, the Nationals would get a rights fee in excess of $34 million in the first year, plus more than $7 million in equity distributions, according to a source familiar with the figures. The source, who declined to be named while the matter is pending, said the rights fee would gradually increase to about $46 million — plus almost $12 million in profits distributions — in the fifth year.

"Contracts are meant to be honored," said Alan Rifkin, counsel to MASN and its managing partner, the Orioles. "The (2005) settlement agreement provides in clear and certain terms the formula to be applied to determine the fair market value of the rights fees for the clubs. That formula has been consistently applied by baseball for over 16 years and is well known and well understood."

If the Nationals' five-year deal was extrapolated over 20 years, it would provide more than $2.1 billion in rights fees and profit distributions, according to a document prepared by Bortz.

The rights fee "reset" year comes at a time when the Nationals' television ratings are up over recent years, the club is in first place and other teams have been locking into long-term deals.

The Texas Rangers have a 20-year deal with Fox Sports Southwest worth $3 billion, according to Sports Business Daily.

Nationals spokesman John Dever declined requests to comment for this article , and Rifkin said he needed to limit his remarks because the process is not public.

MLB commissioner Bud Selig told reporters on the day before last week'sAll-Star game that baseball was in the midst of "very intense discussions" over the rights fees and that he hoped the issue would be resolved soon.

The assimilation of the Nationals was initially complicated. Accommodations had to be made by both teams as they learned to share a territory — for television, ticket sales and marketing — that had long been the Orioles' domain.

But the relationship has been mostly cordial. Orioles owner Peter Angelos said several years ago that he won't fret if Orioles fans slip away occasionally to a game in the nation's capital.

"I think there's plenty of room for two teams in the region," Nationals chief operating officer Andy Feffer said earlier in the season.

But Feffer declined to discuss the rights fee matter. That's private, he said.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-orioles-masn-0714-20120713,0,7131842.story

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Did the Lerners agree to that or was it in place before they bought the team?

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Did the Lerners agree to that or was it in place before they bought the team?

It pre-dated the Lerners, Anthony Williams knew that the broadcast rights were being separated from the team at the time that the city signed off on the stadium deal, at the time that they took ownership Kasten stated that they had no problem with the MASN deal.

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There is a reset every 5 years, right?  So why would the Nats agree to a backloaded 20 year deal?

Right.  We also don't know many details about how the reset works.  Is there another reset in 2017?  Is is a one way reset or can the fees be lowered.

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Not suprised the new (relative to the contract) ownership might want to revisit this.  Did they have to sign any sort of agreement to abide by the pre-existing contract when they took over the team?  I'm assuming they did.

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So a pro Os paper with an Os source supports the Os. I wonder if 'other considerations' includes comparable deals?

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Not suprised the new (relative to the contract) ownership might want to revisit this.  Did they have to sign any sort of agreement to abide by the pre-existing contract when they took over the team?  I'm assuming they did.

Of course, MLB wasn't going to pick a group that had any intention of doing such things as suing other owners or upsetting the salary structure around the league.

Offline DPMOmaha

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Of course, MLB wasn't going to pick a group that had any intention of doing such things as suing other owners or upsetting the salary structure around the league.

But did they get it in writing?

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So a pro Os paper with an Os source supports the Os. I wonder if 'other considerations' includes comparable deals?

Not too surprising that an Os exec spoke with the Baltimore player, at least he spoke on the record, the Nats would have leaked the info to Boz.

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But did they get it in writing?

Of course, otherwise this would have been the shortest negotiation in league history.

Offline HalfSmokes

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Not too surprising that an Os exec spoke with the Baltimore player, at least he spoke on the record, the Nats would have leaked the info to Boz.

I'm guessing that article comes out next week in response- if it really was as cut and dry as the Os make it sound, arbitration should have taken a day or two