Author Topic: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread (Read 170750 times)

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1575:** November 10, 2012, 04:21:10 PM »

Quote from: cmdterps44 on November 10, 2012, 02:29:11 PM

Morse, Clippard, Espinosa, and random pitcher for JUpton!!@!@!@

this x132104328452

give them someone else too.

Slateman · « **Reply #1576:** November 10, 2012, 04:23:01 PM »

Quote from: Mattionals on November 10, 2012, 04:06:25 PM

Would the DBacks need a 3B? Espinosa/Lombo and Rendon plus one mild arm could get that done. Could have a 2014 roster of Goodwin in CF, Bryce in RF and JUpton in LF. Werth could move to 1B and the left over of Lombo or Espinosa at 2B. SS, 3B and C remain unchanged.

Yes they need left side of the infield. If Rendon had stayed healthy this season it would be a done deal.

Vega · « **Reply #1577:** November 10, 2012, 04:31:23 PM »

Quote from: Mattionals on November 10, 2012, 04:06:25 PM

Would the DBacks need a 3B? Espinosa/Lombo and Rendon plus one mild arm could get that done. Could have a 2014 roster of Goodwin in CF, Bryce in RF and JUpton in LF. Werth could move to 1B and the left over of Lombo or Espinosa at 2B. SS, 3B and C remain unchanged.

That's more like it.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1578:** November 10, 2012, 04:33:48 PM »

If we're going to put a huge package together, do it for a stud pitcher. We don't really need an Upton type.

Slateman · « **Reply #1579:** November 10, 2012, 04:37:15 PM »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on November 10, 2012, 04:33:48 PM

If we're going to put a huge package together, do it for a stud pitcher. We don't really need an Upton type.

Huh .... what? There isn't a team in MLB that doesn't need a Justin Upton type.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1580:** November 10, 2012, 04:39:33 PM »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on November 10, 2012, 04:33:48 PM

If we're going to put a huge package together, do it for a stud pitcher. We don't really need an Upton type.

lol okay.

he/harper/werth ... ummm one of the best OF in baseball if not maybe the best?

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #1581:** November 10, 2012, 04:48:27 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on November 10, 2012, 04:37:15 PM

Huh .... what? There isn't a team in MLB that doesn't need a Justin Upton type.

yep

blue911 · « **Reply #1582:** November 10, 2012, 04:49:47 PM »

Upton's home/road splits are terrible.

Jedgi · « **Reply #1583:** November 10, 2012, 05:03:03 PM »

Quote from: cmdterps44 on November 10, 2012, 02:29:11 PM

Morse, Clippard, Espinosa, and random pitcher for JUpton!!@!@!@

Not remotely close to enough. Discussion for them starts with a Rendon or Goodwin+Meyer.

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #1584:** November 10, 2012, 05:08:10 PM »

Quote from: Jedgi on November 10, 2012, 05:03:03 PM

Not remotely close to enough. Discussion for them starts with a Rendon or Goodwin+Meyer.

Not always. Quality Major League players help more than a single prospect.

Vega · « **Reply #1585:** November 10, 2012, 05:12:51 PM »

Quote from: cmdterps44 on November 10, 2012, 05:08:10 PM

Not always. Quality Major League players help more than a single prospect.

Not if they only really need one of the major leaguers offered. In any case, I don't really want Upton.

cletusvandamme · « **Reply #1586:** November 10, 2012, 05:17:20 PM »

Fangraphs did something the other day on the Upton brothers, the gist being they've disappointed and buyer beware. I think the ship has sailed on B.J.- he is what he is. But I'm still tantalized by Justin.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1587:** November 10, 2012, 05:17:24 PM »

Quote from: hammondsnats on November 10, 2012, 04:39:33 PM

lol okay.

he/harper/werth ... ummm one of the best OF in baseball if not maybe the best?

That's fine, but if I'm going to unload a bunch of prospects, I'd rather it be an arm. OF is pretty good now with options for the future. We've got much bigger issues than OF. Not saying we won't or shouldn't, but that I think there are ways I'd rather see them spend prospects than on Upton, that's all. I mean, if they could get David Price, who's rumored to be on the block, I'd prefer that to Upton by a huge margin.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1588:** November 10, 2012, 05:19:53 PM »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on November 10, 2012, 05:17:24 PM

That's fine, but if I'm going to unload a bunch of prospects, I'd rather it be an arm. OF is pretty good now with options for the future. We've got much bigger issues than OF. Not saying we won't or shouldn't, but that I think there are ways I'd rather see them spend prospects than on Upton, that's all. I mean, if they could get David Price, who's rumored to be on the block, I'd prefer that to Upton by a huge margin.

who's to say they still can't get a SP.

that's the problem with some people on here, it's always just one thing and they are satisfied. get greedy, we're the washington nationals damnit. let's get lots of toys not just one. let's not settle for winning NL East. let's win the whole damn thing.

zimm_da_kid · « **Reply #1589:** November 10, 2012, 05:39:29 PM »

Quote from: hammondsnats on November 10, 2012, 05:19:53 PM

who's to say they still can't get a SP.

that's the problem with some people on here, it's always just one thing and they are satisfied. get greedy, we're the washington nationals damnit. let's get lots of toys not just one. let's not settle for winning NL East. let's win the whole damn thing.

Hell yeah.

tomterp · « **Reply #1590:** November 10, 2012, 05:44:17 PM »

Quote from: TheCerebral1 on November 10, 2012, 09:29:59 AM

His anxiety issues, his less than stellar August and September. He falls apart in the playoffs. I do not consider him a top 10 pitcher. To make that kind of commitment would be asinine when you have a top three locked in with Strasburg, Gonzalez and Zimmerman. Detwiler is more than a quality fourth starter. Where do you really need to lock in Grienke who is hardly an ace in. Marcum, or even trading for a quality third type starter is more than enough. Just because Grienke is the best starter on the market doesn't mean he's a need. The need is center field and shoring up first base. Whether that's LaRoche, Morse or another option.

Grienke would displace whoever would be our current 5th starter, say Lannan. That's a significant upgrade, you'd have to weigh the cost of those extra wins vs. other improvements you could make. I wouldn't write it off as a plausible way to improve.

Slateman · « **Reply #1591:** November 10, 2012, 05:45:49 PM »

Quote from: tomterp on November 10, 2012, 05:44:17 PM

Grienke would displace whoever would be our current 5th starter, say Lannan. That's a significant upgrade, you'd have to weigh the cost of those extra wins vs. other improvements you could make. I wouldn't write it off as a plausible way to improve.

Grienke displaces everyone in the rotation not named Strasburg.

blue911 · « **Reply #1592:** November 10, 2012, 05:57:02 PM »

Quote from: tomterp on November 10, 2012, 05:44:17 PM

Grienke would displace whoever would be our current 5th starter, say Lannan. That's a significant upgrade, you'd have to weigh the cost of those extra wins vs. other improvements you could make. I wouldn't write it off as a plausible way to improve.

And I would learn how to spell his name.

Jedgi · « **Reply #1593:** November 10, 2012, 06:09:46 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on November 10, 2012, 05:45:49 PM

Grienke displaces everyone in the rotation not named Strasburg.

Or yaknow, our Cy Young candidate.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #1594:** November 10, 2012, 06:11:53 PM »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on November 10, 2012, 03:39:25 PM

Rental, middle reliever, and k machine is gutting the team?

Willingham was a rental. How did that work out? Desmond couldn't get on base in 2011 and how did that work out when everyone wanted to dump him. Yeah , we got HRod in the Willingham trade and he worked out great. Where would we have been without Clip in the first half? Your trades are Bowdenesque.

Slateman · « **Reply #1595:** November 10, 2012, 06:13:05 PM »

Quote from: Jedgi on November 10, 2012, 06:09:46 PM

Or yaknow, our Cy Young candidate.

Cy Young winner > Cy Young candidate

In all honesty, Grienke would be the best pitcher on the team.

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #1596:** November 10, 2012, 06:13:10 PM »

Quote from: aspenbubba on November 10, 2012, 06:11:53 PM

Willingham was a rental. How did that work out? Desmond couldn't get on base in 2011 and how did that work out when everyone wanted to dump him. Yeah , we got HRod in the Willingham trade and he worked out great. Where would we have been without Clip in the first half? Your trades are Bowdenesque.

What the hell are you talking about?

Jedgi · « **Reply #1597:** November 10, 2012, 06:14:42 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on November 10, 2012, 06:13:05 PM

Cy Young winner > Cy Young candidate

In all honesty, Grienke would be the best pitcher on the team.

That was in 2009 though.

Slateman · « **Reply #1598:** November 10, 2012, 06:17:55 PM »

Quote from: Jedgi on November 10, 2012, 06:14:42 PM

That was in 2009 though.

So? He's in the prime of his career. There's a reason he's going to command a 20 m/yr type deal.

houston-nat · « **Reply #1599:** November 10, 2012, 06:19:20 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on November 10, 2012, 06:13:05 PM

Cy Young winner > Cy Young candidate

In all honesty, Grienke would be the best pitcher on the team.

He'd be in the top three anyway.

Look, it doesn't matter. The truth is that if we had Greinke and we were arguing over who our best pitcher was, that would be like going to Switzerland and arguing about which chocolate is the tastiest.