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Third Base – Ryan Zimmerman, Washington
Third base is a very strong, deep defensive poistion in baseball right now. I would be comfortable with any of the top nine guys in our voting winning The Fielding Bible Award—or the Gold Glove award, for that matter—this year. Ryan Zimmerman has broken out of the pack in my estimation, however, by becoming the Defensive Runs Saved leader at third base over the last three years. His first Fielding Bible Award is well deserved. The rest of the best: Adrian Beltre, Chone Figgins, Evan Longoria, Scott Rolen, Brandon Inge, Pedro Feliz, Jack Hannahan and Joe Crede. http://www.fieldingbible.com/ He came in ninth last year. A lot of people here were upset about that. Nyjer Morgan came in second as a left fielder (he played more games in left this season). |
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 08:02:03 AM » |
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  Dewan's a pioneer in the study of fielding, this is certainly a more credible accolade than gold glove or any other survey type award.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 08:07:56 AM » |
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Is Peter Gammons senile?
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tomterp
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 08:18:49 AM » |
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Is Peter Gammons senile?
Who is Peter Gammons? |
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ronnynat
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 08:22:41 AM » |
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tomterp
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 08:25:42 AM » |
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Dewan's a pioneer in the study of fielding, this is certainly a more credible accolade than gold glove or any other survey type award. EDIT: Upon further research (actually reading the description of how the awards were determined) it appears that this one too is a survery, albeit a fairly well chosen small group doing the responses. |
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 09:08:22 AM » |
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Is Peter Gammons senile?
Just a guess: his #7 was Youk. How he can be that much of an outlier on Longoria is a mystery. Fortunately for Zimmermann, senile people can vote. [edit - his #7 was probably Kouz.] |
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2009, 09:10:52 AM » |
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Fortunately for Zimmermann, senile people can vote.
Zimm might have gotten a tail wind from that big ESPN made for TV award. |
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2009, 09:13:16 AM » |
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I'm throwing that chart in SF's face any time he quotes Bill James from now on.
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2009, 09:15:31 AM » |
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Just a guess: his #7 was Youk. How he can be that much of an outlier on Longoria is a mystery.
Fortunately for Zimmermann, senile people can vote.
[edit - his #7 was probably Kouz.]
And whoever voted for Bill Hall needs to be publicly ridiculed. |
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2009, 09:21:43 AM » |
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And whoever voted for Bill Hall needs to be publicly ridiculed.
It's entirely possible it came from the "Tango Fan Poll" |
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2009, 10:01:50 AM » |
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It's entirely possible it came from the "Tango Fan Poll"
I thought these two got votes from the Tango Fan Poll.  |
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2009, 10:07:37 AM » |
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She can tango my poll any time.
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2009, 12:41:58 PM » |
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She can tango my poll any time.
Morticia is hot, and Gomez well knows it, but she's on to his tactics. Among others receiving votes, David Wright, 2 points.  |
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2009, 12:55:23 PM » |
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Among others receiving votes, David Wright, 2 points. where are all of the david wright lovers? |
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2009, 12:58:19 PM » |
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where are all of the david wright lovers? There will always be fans of ponderous, slow moving fielders who "play the game the right way". |
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2009, 01:08:18 PM » |
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where are all of the david wright lovers?
In your mind, the same and only place they've always been. |
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2009, 01:16:22 PM » |
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In your mind, the same and only place they've always been.
chief, you know that's not true. it's a shame people don't own up to it. |
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2009, 01:21:20 PM » |
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chief, you know that's not true. it's a shame people don't own up to it.
I honestly don't know who or what you're talking about. I think at some point in the past a few people may have said they'd take Wright over Zimmerman because at the time Wright's bat was quite a bit better. That's obviously not the case anymore, and I don't think ANYONE ever claimed that Wright had a better glove, so why are you so hung up on this? People's opinions change based on available evidence, you know. |
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2009, 06:06:03 PM » |
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imo the reason it was wright last year was because zim was injured
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2009, 10:19:25 PM » |
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>>>The rest of the best: Adrian Beltre, Chone Figgins, Evan Longoria, Scott Rolen, Brandon Inge, Pedro Feliz, Jack Hannahan and Joe Crede.
David Wright not even mentioned, making it all the more laughable if he wins the GG.
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2009, 11:47:29 AM » |
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I honestly don't know who or what you're talking about. I think at some point in the past a few people may have said they'd take Wright over Zimmerman because at the time Wright's bat was quite a bit better. That's obviously not the case anymore, and I don't think ANYONE ever claimed that Wright had a better glove, so why are you so hung up on this? People's opinions change based on available evidence, you know.
Chief, no one has EVER said that Wright was a better fielder than Zimmerman. until this season, it was said that Wright was a better hitter, but it's NEVER, EVER been said that he was a better fielder. SF is just an idiot. Sportsfan is sop delusional that he sees "not worshipping the ground Zimmerman walks on" as analogous to "loving david wright". |
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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2009, 11:54:18 AM » |
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Chief, no one has EVER said that Wright was a better fielder than Zimmerman. until this season, it was said that Wright was a better hitter, but it's NEVER, EVER been said that he was a better fielder.
SF is just an idiot.
Sportsfan is sop delusional that he sees "not worshipping the ground Zimmerman walks on" as analogous to "loving david wright".
David Wright did win 2 gold gloves so someone had to say that he was a better fielder |
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2009, 03:33:44 PM » |
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Chief, no one has EVER said that Wright was a better fielder than Zimmerman. until this season, it was said that Wright was a better hitter, but it's NEVER, EVER been said that he was a better fielder.
Sure, all those gold glove voters have been saying Wright was better. |
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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2009, 07:30:07 PM » |
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Sure, all those gold glove voters have been saying Wright was better.
how many people on this forum vote for the Gold Glove? |
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