Division-Watching (2009)

[HalfSmokes]

in regards to your original question, no, i don't think it's the next "obp" simply because it's one of many "new" statistics sabermatricians use to judge players. it just happens to be an easy one to understand and use

its just an attempt to see if a batting average is 'real' or not by seeing how lucky a guy is. Its really more useful for looking at pitchers since they tend to all have BABIPs in a narrower range, so something outside of that means either luck or defense. Hitters have a wider range, but they still tend to revert to their own mean.

[PC]

Is anybody watching the Phillies-Reds game?  Cueto was responsible for 9 runs in 2/3 of an inning!

And I'm using him this week on one of my pitching teams because he pitches twice. Bum!

[PC]

The load the Reds are dumping against the Phillies...this might be the worst performance by a team, this season.

It's 16-1 in the 4th and the Phillies have scored in every inning!

...and now the Phillies are using their backups.

[HalfSmokes]

Rollins, SS   4   4   3   1   2   0   2   .224
Victorino, CF   5   5   4   4   1   0   1   .308
Utley, 2B   3   1   2   4   1   1   0   .305
  1-Bruntlett, PR-2B   2   2   1   1   0   1   1   .145
Howard, 1B   4   0   1   1   0   1   2   .252
  2-Mayberry, PR-LF   1   1   0   0   1   1   0   .205
Werth, RF   5   2   2   5   0   2   1   .263
Dobbs, LF-1B   6   2   4   2   0   0   1   .271
Feliz, 3B   5   1   1   0   0   1   2   .291
Ruiz, C   4   1   1   1   1   0   0   .234
Hamels, P   4   2   2   2   0   2   2   .167
  Walker, T, P   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   .000
  a-Stairs, PH   0   1   0   0   1   0   0   .276
Totals   43   22   21   21   7   9   12   

22 to 1 in the 8th

 

[Nathan]

Paul Janish (SS) pitched in the 9^th for the Reds. 

Code:

Pitchers IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
J Cueto
(L, 8-5) 0.2 5 9 9 3 1 2 49-25   3.45
D Herrera 2.1 5 3 3 1 2 1 52-36   2.62
N Masset 1.0 4 4 3 1 1 0 37-18   2.43
C Fisher 2.0 2 0 0 0 2 0 30-21   3.54
J Roenicke 1.0 1 0 0 0 2 0 14-11   0.00
P Janish 1.0 4 6 6 2 1 1 29-17   49.50
Totals 8.0 21 22 21 7 9 4 211-128

He did strike out Pedro Feliz

[NatsAddict]

With Hanley sitting out, The Fredi moved Uggla into the 3 hole the past 2 games.  Predictably, in his 5 opps with runners on, he's hit into 2 double plays (out of 4 chances with a runner on 1B).  With men on, a pitcher has to be really dumb to try to strike the guy out when its almost a guarantee that if a man is on 1B that you'll get 2 outs if he makes contact. Uggla, or as he was christened last night, Dan "Party Pooper" Uggla, is now 7 for his last 65 chances with men on (a total of 85 men on), including 6 GIDP, which is double his number of runners driven in.

[NatsAddict]

Sitting on 199 after leaving 2 on base in the 6th, Uggla is likely to have one more chance tonight to get to 200 LOB before the ASG break - well before the ASG break.

[NatsAddict]

Danny Boy does it in the 9th, runner on first, and goes shopping at the Big K!  200 men LOB before the All-Star Break!

 

[NatsAddict]

Cast you vote for Danny Boy's most suitable nickname, or nominate one of your own:

Party Pooper
DUGDP (Dan Uggla Ground into Double Play)
Rally Killer
Run Buster
Mr. LOB
K Mart
F*ckin' Sh*thead!

[HalfSmokes]

For anyone who thinks the Nats screwed DC with their stadium deal, we have nothing on the marlins.

http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3391:with-interest-final-cost-of-marlins-stadium-expected-to-be-24-billion&catid=41:facility-news&Itemid=56

They are contributing 155 million (including repayment of a county loan), the tax payers 2.4 billion after interest is payed

[NatsAddict]

Actually, Loria put in a much higher percentage than most.

Of the bond issue, only $300 of the $409 was for the stadium.  Then, they are including future interest. 
Using the math as applied, your 25,000 car cost $40,000 and your $300,000 home costing nearly $800,000 if financed over similar terms.  Would you say you lived in a $800,000 for the home or drive a $40,000 car?

Of the $2.4 billion, $1.991 is interest.  Of the interest,  $1.46 billion is due to the stadium.  Along with $300 million in bonds for the stadium out of the $409 million in bonds, it comes to $1.76 billion over 40 years. 

Miami Dade messed up by not issuing the bond when the first could have last fall, when rates were at artificial lows.  Then then messed up further by continuing to delay and then came out when China and all other foreign central banks were dumping 30s, yields up and bond values down (believe it or not, Loria covered the shortfall resulting from the excessive discount out of his own pocket).  Finally, they made the bonds 40s rather than 30s, which added an enormous amount of the interest expense.  Miami Dade's ineptitude resulted in the $600 million in additional cost, not the Marlin or Loria (I gotta take a shower after defending Loria).

The total cost of the stadium is $1.76 to the taxpayers, of which $300 is present value (assuming yield == inflation), the Fish are paying $155 million, and Loria covered about $7 million in the shortfall from the sale of the bonds.  The present value of the cost to the taxpayers is still less than half the present value of the cost to the taxpayers for Nationals Park.

I still can't figure out how the interest got so high, even over 40 years.  Since the interest does not compound on the bonds, for the interest cost to get that high, the bonds would have to yield 12.17%.  Not bad for a tax free AA muni.  However, no bond went for more than 6.4%.  The math doesn't work.  Also, the original source is the Sun-Sentinel (not the Miami Herald), which isn't much more reliable than the National Enquirer.  Maury Brown usually shows better judgement.  Maybe he's still pissy that his lobbying efforts for the Fish to move to Portland didn't work out.

[HalfSmokes]

Actually, Loria put in a much higher percentage than most.

Of the bond issue, only $300 of the $409 was for the stadium.  Then, they are including future interest. 
Using the math as applied, your 25,000 car cost $40,000 and your $300,000 home costing nearly $800,000 if financed over similar terms.  Would you say you lived in a $800,000 for the home or drive a $40,000 car?

Of the $2.4 billion, $1.991 is interest.  Of the interest,  $1.46 billion is due to the stadium.  Along with $300 million in bonds for the stadium out of the $409 million in bonds, it comes to $1.76 billion over 40 years. 

Miami Dade messed up by not issuing the bond when the first could have last fall, when rates were at artificial lows.  Then then messed up further by continuing to delay and then came out when China and all other foreign central banks were dumping 30s, yields up and bond values down (believe it or not, Loria covered the shortfall resulting from the excessive discount out of his own pocket).  Finally, they made the bonds 40s rather than 30s, which added an enormous amount of the interest expense.  Miami Dade's ineptitude resulted in the $600 million in additional cost, not the Marlin or Loria (I gotta take a shower after defending Loria).

The total cost of the stadium is $1.76 to the taxpayers, of which $300 is present value (assuming yield == inflation), the Fish are paying $155 million, and Loria covered about $7 million in the shortfall from the sale of the bonds.  The present value of the cost to the taxpayers is still less than half the present value of the cost to the taxpayers for Nationals Park.

I still can't figure out how the interest got so high, even over 40 years.  Since the interest does not compound on the bonds, for the interest cost to get that high, the bonds would have to yield 12.17%.  Not bad for a tax free AA muni.  However, no bond went for more than 6.4%.  The math doesn't work.  Also, the original source is the Sun-Sentinel (not the Miami Herald), which isn't much more reliable than the National Enquirer.  Maury Brown usually shows better judgement.  Maybe he's still pissy that his lobbying efforts for the Fish to move to Portland didn't work out.

looks like the herald to me http://www.miamiherald.com/457/story/1131885.html

and yes I do consider financing costs before making purchases

[NatsAddict]

looks like the herald to me http://www.miamiherald.com/457/story/1131885.html

and yes I do consider financing costs before making purchases

Oh, you gotta consider the cost of financing, but consider the financing present value terms.  Your assets acquired is not worth more just because you financed it.

The Sentinel originally broke the story, and their TV news partners aired it a day before the Herald picked it up.

[PatsNats09]

That's a ridiculous amount of interest. You might as well try and pay as much as possible upfront and save yourself a couple billion bucks.

[tomterp]

That's a ridiculous amount of interest. You might as well try and pay as much as possible upfront and save yourself a couple billion bucks.

Often bonds like that are financed (ie, the interest and principle payments) from revenues generated by the asset, ie the stadium itself and related.  If the thing pays for itself, why get all worked up about it?

[HalfSmokes]

Often bonds like that are financed (ie, the interest and principle payments) from revenues generated by the asset, ie the stadium itself and related.  If the thing pays for itself, why get all worked up about it?

because if it is still like this



it won't pay for itself

[NatsAddict]

because if it is still like this

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it won't pay for itself

Actually, none of the bonds are paid for by stadium operations, but rather from tourist taxes.

It should be better at the new location and with a roof, but I still expect not much more than 2 million a year after things get past the "new" factor.  25,000 a game is about where I think it will average. It could be more, at the Fish have among the highest TV ratings, and that only includes Broward and Miami Dade.  For whatever reason, Palm Beach is in the MLB recognized area, but the Neilson's exclude it from the ratings.  Anyway, if the viewer finally have a stadium that (1) they can get to the game if leaving straight from work and get there before the 3rd inning, (2) has local mass transit even if only for the city, (3) permits you to actually see a game without being a contortionist, (4) eliminates the better than 50% chance getting rained on sometime between BP and the end of the game June - September, it may do even better.  The visiting teams will like it much better as the roof will prevent the rainouts of fielding and batting practices.  Also, MLB will no longer have the Marlins have, by far other than the Cubs, the largest number of weekday day games, which they have on non-travel days just to cut out the chance of rain.  A couple years ago (2005?), the Fish had something like 19 weekday home games when there were only 15 weekday home series - ridiculous when nobody can get to the stadium without taking a full day off work.

[PatsNats09]

Often bonds like that are financed (ie, the interest and principle payments) from revenues generated by the asset, ie the stadium itself and related.  If the thing pays for itself, why get all worked up about it?

Because if you maxed out the up-front payment to a solid amount, you can turn the revenue into profit versus breaking even.

[houston-nat]

Well, the Mets signed Angel Berroa. The division race is over!

[NatsAddict]

Moyer improves to 13-2 over the Fish, allowing a single and a walk in 7.0 IP.  Those were the only two baserunners of the night for the Fish.  Jim Presley is the Randy St. Claire of hitting coaches.  While again leading all of MLB in strikeouts for the 4th consecutive year, he does still need to do a little work to do to meet his objective of not only leading MLB, but to also for the 4th consecutive year set a new franchise in doing so.

[ASSCLOWN]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4347145

Tony Bernazard, a New York Mets executive, recently challenged one of club's minor league teams to a fight during a postgame clubhouse tirade, the New York Daily News reported, citing multiple sources with ties to the team.

Bernazard, the team's vice president for player development, pulled off his shirt and challenged the Double-A Binghamton Mets in the tirade, about 10 days before the All-Star break. He in particular targeted middle infield prospect Jose Coronado, according to the report.

The Mets will conduct an "internal investigation" of Bernazard, a major league source said, according to Foxsports.com.

Binghamton had gone 1-6 during an early July homestand that coincided with the outburst, losing three of those games by at least seven runs. The team was 37-58 and in last place in the Eastern League Northern Division entering Wednesday's scheduled games.

Allegations of underage drinking on the team were apparently another factor in Bernazard's tirade, an organization source said, according to the report.

"It's ridiculous that anyone in a professional baseball environment thinks it's acceptable," a friend of several players said, according to the report.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

By the way, I was at last night's game and afterward, I started talking to a Mets fan and asked, "so when are the Reyes and the other DL regulars coming back?"  He replied, in something out of Bizzarro world, , "this team [the Mets] is pathetic, they should have better depth to cover for the guys on the DL, that line up was a joke, you guys at least look like you have some young players." 

[DCFan]

By the way, I was at last night's game and afterward, I started talking to a Mets fan and asked, "so when are the Reyes and the other DL regulars coming back?"  He replied, in something out of Bizzarro world, , "this team [the Mets] is pathetic, they should have better depth to cover for the guys on the DL, that line up was a joke, you guys at least look like you have some young players." 

Sounds like he was saying something nice about the Nats while ripping his own team's FO to me.

[Nat of the LivingDead]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4347145

The whole team? Underage drinking? Fuuuuucked up in Bing!

This is one reason why a team shouldn't go public at all times. But then again-- it's entertaining as hell.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Sounds like he was saying something nice about the Nats while ripping his own team's FO to me.

Yah, that's what was bizzarro world about it.  We are usually the ones doing that.