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« Reply #50 on: March 23, 2009, 04:38:39 PM » |
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You think Hinckley will be on the team? He's been pretty awful, Ledezma has been better.
In Hinckley's last 5 appearances he has been solid (4.1 IP 0 ER). I'm not in to bums like Wil Ledezma who has a career 5.10 ERA in the Majors. |
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« Reply #51 on: March 23, 2009, 04:48:36 PM » |
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In Hinckley's last 5 appearances he has been solid (4.1 IP 0 ER).
I'm not in to bums like Wil Ledezma who has a career 5.10 ERA in the Majors.
Yeah, well Rizzo doesn't care who you are "in to"  Acta has some say, but even he shouldn't be making the final decision on which guys make the team. I have no problem with him telling Beimel he's the guy, because that's what we paid for, but for Gary Glover types, Acta's word is not the final say. I hope. |
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« Reply #52 on: March 23, 2009, 04:52:01 PM » |
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Yeah, well Rizzo doesn't care who you are "in to" |
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« Reply #53 on: March 23, 2009, 04:58:24 PM » |
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Yeah, well Rizzo doesn't care who you are "in to" Acta has some say, but even he shouldn't be making the final decision on which guys make the team. I have no problem with him telling Beimel he's the guy, because that's what we paid for, but for Gary Glover types, Acta's word is not the final say. I hope. I'm "in to" players that can help this team now and in the future. Guys like Glover and Ledezma don't fit that bill. Hinckley has been pitching well for the last week and a half or so. Unless he bombs in the next 2 weeks he should get a spot over some loser like Wilfredo Ledezma. |
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« Reply #54 on: March 23, 2009, 05:02:35 PM » |
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I actually agree with sportsfan. Let's not let ST fool us - Ledezma is still a marginal bum. At worst, there will probably be little difference between him and Hinckley, so let's go with the guy with more upside.
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« Reply #55 on: March 23, 2009, 05:09:08 PM » |
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I like Hinckley just fine, but was fresh off reading Bog Gladstone's column on the 7 man bullpen, in which he rated the likelihood of each making it: JUPITER, Fla. -- Nationals manager Manny Acta said Monday that he plans to carry seven relievers when the regular season starts against the Marlins on April 6th. It is already known that Joel Hanrahan is the closer, while Joe Beimel and Saul Rivera are the setup men. Here is the list of candidates for the final four spots in the bullpen.
The leading candidates, so far
RHP Jason Bergmann: He hasn't given up an earned run in 8 1/3 innings, but he has had great Spring Trainings before. Now it's time to show consistency during the regular season.
LHP Wil Ledezma: Acta said he would like to carry two left-handers out of the bullpen. Ledezma could be his second left-hander. When Spring Training started, nobody had this guy on the radar, but he has pitched well and has a 2.16 ERA to show for it.
RHP Steven Shell: After a slow start, Shell has allowed just one run in his past eight innings this spring. Last year, Shell was one of Acta's go-to guys. In 39 games, Shell posted a 2.16 ERA.
RHP Julian Tavarez: When is he going to pitch in an exhibition game? When he gets a work visa, but there is no sign that it's coming today. He is coming off one of his worst seasons in the big leagues, posting a 5.10 ERA with the Braves, Brewers and Red Sox in 2008.
Let's see you do it again
LHP Michael Hinckley: He didn't allow a run in 13 2/3 innings last September, but he has proven that he is human in Spring Training, allowing seven earned runs in 7 2/3 innings.
On the bubble
RHP Jesus Colome: He is having a good Spring Training, but that may not mean a thing to the organization because Colome has been inconsistent the past two seasons under Acta.
RHP Garrett Mock: Opposing batters are hitting .298 against him this spring. He has to show that he can blow hitters away with his fastball.
RHP Ryan Wagner: Wagner continues to show that his right shoulder is 100 percent, but he hasn't been consistent getting hitters out.
Long shot
RHP Gary Glover: He is still in Major League camp, but Glover had a rough outing Monday, allowing four runs in just one-third of an inning.
RHP Terrell Young: The Rule 5 Draft pick is unlikely to make the 25-man roster after giving up five runs in his past 4 2/3 innings. The Nationals can send him back to the Reds or make a trade with Cincinnati to keep him. Sending Young back appears to be the most logical choice.
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« Reply #56 on: March 23, 2009, 05:11:00 PM » |
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The bullpen is going to be a disaster in '09 no matter who we put in at this juncture. Other than Saul, we hardly know what we are getting out of any of them. Alcoholism and drug use will be on the rise during later innings this year.
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« Reply #57 on: March 23, 2009, 05:13:56 PM » |
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The bullpen is going to be a disaster in '09 no matter who we put in at this juncture. Other than Saul, we hardly know what we are getting out of any of them. Alcoholism and drug use will be on the rise during later innings this year.
You don't trust Beimel? |
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« Reply #58 on: March 23, 2009, 05:15:37 PM » |
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I like Hinckley just fine, but was fresh off reading Bog Gladstone's column on the 7 man bullpen, in which he rated the likelihood of each making it:
Loodsin is an idiot. Hinckley pwned last year in the Majors in his first call-up ever. He started shakily this Spring but since then he has been smooth sailing. How convenient that Ledezma's appearance against Team Italy doesn't count in his ST stats. In that game he gave up 3 hits and 3 runs in 0.2 innings. Like ACTAVation said, while their performances might be fairly comparable, why not take the younger home-grown guy with more potential and upside? |
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« Reply #59 on: March 23, 2009, 05:16:31 PM » |
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You don't trust Beimel?
I have yet to see him pitch in a Nationals uniform so I am not going to make that determination yet. We've seen in the past that players that have been good elsewhere have sucked here. Hopefully we get to watch him on Wednesday. |
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« Reply #60 on: March 23, 2009, 05:17:12 PM » |
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You don't trust Beimel?
He might be trustworthy, but you know, put on that Nats uniform and it does things to a player. Strange things. Like a bad acid trip. I don't know. |
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« Reply #61 on: March 23, 2009, 05:19:01 PM » |
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He might be trustworthy, but you know, put on that Nats uniform and it does things to a player. Strange things. Like a bad acid trip. I don't know.
Like which player(s)? Soriano was probably our only signee over the last 3 years who was worth a damn in the first place, and the dude hit 40+ HR. |
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« Reply #62 on: March 23, 2009, 05:19:50 PM » |
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From Ladson: The Nationals are showing concern about Hanrahan because his fastball was clocked in the high-80's to low-90's in the Classic. Normally, his fastball is clocked in the mid-90's.
"He threw the ball well, but I didn't see the velocity I'm used to over here," Acta said. "I also know with the days off, the players are still not in top shape. Joel will have plenty of time to get his velocity up there."   |
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« Reply #63 on: March 23, 2009, 05:27:09 PM » |
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Last night I saw Joel pitching from the 93-95s, I know that reaches the "low of the mids" but Im not giving it to much doubt. He just needs control, with the rest of our damn bullpen.
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« Reply #64 on: March 23, 2009, 05:27:41 PM » |
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Like which player(s)?
Soriano was probably our only signee over the last 3 years who was worth a damn in the first place, and the dude hit 40+ HR.
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« Reply #65 on: March 23, 2009, 05:30:58 PM » |
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Last night I saw Joel pitching from the 93-95s, I know that reaches the "low of the mids" but Im not giving it to much doubt. He just needs control, with the rest of our damn bullpen.
His velocity was done a little. I saw him hit like 93 last night but generally he should be around 96-97. |
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« Reply #66 on: March 23, 2009, 05:31:43 PM » |
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I don't recall any player who was worth a crap coming to the Nats and mysteriously sucking.
I guess there was FLop, but he was just a lazy, headcase piece of crap with psychological issues.
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« Reply #67 on: March 23, 2009, 06:44:25 PM » |
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I don't recall any player who was worth a crap coming to the Nats and mysteriously sucking.
I guess there was FLop, but he was just a lazy, headcase piece of crap with psychological issues.
Kearns as well; that guy's fallen off a cliff. |
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« Reply #68 on: March 23, 2009, 07:50:08 PM » |
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Kearns as well; that guy's fallen off a cliff.
Kearns was never THAT good as a Red and Lopez had one good year. There really isn't a history of top players coming to DC and then sucking, just marginal players with potential who never reached it (Kearns, Lopez) |
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« Reply #69 on: March 23, 2009, 08:07:34 PM » |
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Kearns was never THAT good as a Red and Lopez had one good year. There really isn't a history of top players coming to DC and then sucking, just marginal players with potential who never reached it (Kearns, Lopez)
I think you all know what I am talking about. I am by far from the first one to say something like this. Adam Dunn better not freak up. |
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« Reply #70 on: March 25, 2009, 08:27:57 PM » |
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i smell some runs brewing this inning.
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